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Islam has and always has been a very mysterious religion to me. The language is beautiful, the songs sung for prayer are even moreso.

What is NOT beautiful, and usually never is in mainstream religion, is the hate and the contradictions that spout from religious extremists.

One such instance, and a main topic amongst ALL, is Homosexuality. The Qu'ran condemns homosexuality, and many people are willing to spout out these verses countless times, just as Christians like to spout Leviticus like it's wordvomit.

However, they claim that Homosexuality is an abomination of the modern world, when their prophet, Muhammad, married a young girl who was either 8 or 9 years old. The moment it is brought up, however, god forbid you are in range of the angry slurs they will call you.

Here is a series of articles I found that does well to explain the issues with it, if you aren't a lazy whining fucktard.

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I may not know an intimate amount of Islam, but I know that the religion has taken a vice-like hold on the middle east in a wrongful way. And if you're going to use your religious text to speak against me, I will use your own religious text to speak against you.


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Yes. I know muhammad is not capitalized. I don't capitalize main stream religious names
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:iconmelodyglow:
MelodyGlow Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
that 'site' that you linked was probably the first result for 'muslim pedophillia'.
why not go into the actual book and find proof from there??
it is obvious that a website that was created against muslims is going to have bias, incorrect information.

plus your description was soo sleazy, I cringed at the words.
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TheWriter-is-Dipchit Featured By Owner May 26, 2015
Islam is stupid. Period.
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PrinceOfRage Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
You do realize you're taking this situation completely out of context of the time period?
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Edited Feb 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
So you're saying pedophilia is OK when the context is right?

EDIT since the sucker blocked me:
You didn't say anything about homosexuality.
You simply talked about "this situation", which includes everything the artist said, thus including both homosexuality and mohammed's pedophilia.
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MelodyGlow Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
can you research a bit?
in this context, the average age of marriage WAS at the age of 9, Aisha was not 9 SHE WAS OLDER
BUT, the girl had all of her children in her thirties, HE DID NOT SLEEP WITH HER.
WHY DO PEOPLE STILL THINK THAT WAY?????

it is forbidden in islam to do so, in fact it is Islamic law to kill the offender via stoning (unlike the modern law of keeping them in a cell for two months and later freeing them with a changed identity).
as for homophobia....... do you guys even know the definition of a 'phobia'????
muslims are not scared of homosexuals
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, so because it was normal back then, that makes it acceptable? By that logic, genocide would be acceptable as well.

Yes, I know, stoning is something the islam is quite fond of. All the abrahamic religions are, for some reason. The difference between them is that at least christianity and judaism have outgrown this primitive, cruel, barbaric form of punishment centuries ago, while it is still practiced today in Islam in countries with sharia law.

As for homophobia, you should maybe do some research yourself and you will find that phobia does not only mean "fear" but may also mean "hatred", and while muslims may not be scared of gays, they usually do despise them, just like many christians. If you ask me, that's quite a bit worse.
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MelodyGlow Featured By Owner Edited Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
alright, I like questions (since I have studied Islam for nearly two years now).

marriage at a young age was acceptable back then due to the fact that it gave the young girl a future home- it was a customary practice, almost all civilisations had this notion of young marriage-  (e.g. Europe) it was not a practice created by the prophet, it was a custom. the fact that it gave the family (groom and bride's family) financial support made it necessary- people were very poor in those days and medina was a land of mixed social status groups ( poverty was prevalent). 
you can research this if you have time ^-^
plus, I repeat, the prophet did not sleep with her, she had ALL her kids in her thirties.
in fact before the prophet married the young girl, he had a previous wife (who died) named Khadija, this woman was 20 years older than the prophet and proposed to him, he accepted.

that clear?

alright, as for stoning...you see this whole scenario is set about hundreds of years ago. stoning is one of the punishments that were available back then. guns were not invented, stoning was the only punishment that would punish rapists effectively. it is very painful and I agree with this concept.
don't you agree that rapists and paedophiles should be treated in the harshest manner possible?
this may seem 'barbaric' but that is because it is meant to be that way, what would you suggest?

got it?

now...homosexuality is a VERY controversial topic.
I would like to talk about it in an unbiased form but mostly on a religious viewpoint.
for starters you cannot question a religion, it is foundation for most people, a way of life.
just like the way you believe homosexuality should be embraced, they have their opinions too.
their mindset is the exact structure as yours
they cannot convince you into thinking homosexuality is wrong and vice versa.
okay? I would like to start this on a fresh page.

firstly, I discovered through your profile that you are a 'molecular biologist' this is excellent!
(I myself want to study psychology) ^-^
since you have the qualifications in the intricate study of biochemistry and genetics I would assume you would know that homosexuals and men who have slept with other men cannot give blood donations due to a higher rate of disease e.g. AIDS.
in fact, here are the statistics and no, I did not go to a bias Christian website for this information.
www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/sur…

secondly, I discovered that you were an atheist, (this makes the conversation easier for me ;).
I suppose you believe in evolution right?
okay, so in terms of this theory (nearly everything is a theory in science), wouldn't the primary purpose of organisms be to reproduce? I mean, everything about the Darwin theory is that organisms reproduce and pass favourable characteristics to their offspring resulting in evolved versions of species over time....... you get the idea.
so my big question is....where do homosexuals appear in this spectrum?
I mean, they cannot reproduce (duh.)
what would this mean?
the only answer I could think of according to this theory would be that they would be 'biological rejects'.
this obviously cannot be true but due to the fact that many claim they have been 'born that way' reflects this conclusion.
you see, in a way atheism and creationism are very similar, both predict but neither know for certain.
how can everything we have ever known be created from nothing, can a zero EVER equal to a one?
unless you imply that something existed before to start it all.....which would be equal to the creationism theory.
my next point!
are homosexuals really born that way?
????????
genetics play a part in personality which could lead up to this but there is no proven gene that specifically causes this.
statistically, lots of psychological influences play a part in this outcome.
here is an in-depth page
genderwholeness.com/lds/unders…
(not a Christian site)
here is the information about the myth of the 'gay gene', it contains citations from many studies.
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontli…
in fact homosexuality could be traced from a number of experiences, early sexualisation and childhood abuse could influence it.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11…
- please note  that I have entered a grey area due to the fact that I cannot correctly describe something I have not experienced.

to compensate, here are two of articles from people who used to be homosexuals.
(I have checked each of these pages)
www.newswithviews.com/psycholo…
this is the interview of Michael glatze (former gay activist)
www.wnd.com/2007/07/42473/
what I am trying to say is that each person has different beliefs ALL ARE CONTROVERSIAL TO ONE ANOTHER
basing an argument solely on 'oh he believes this and that' is opening an unnecessary can of worms.
this is due to the fact that as individuals who are brought up in different and contrasting beliefs, each of us is bound to think differently in one way or another.

I want to type sooo much more but im running out of time, I have homework to do!
hope this clears up your query!
all in all, I am not disapproving homosexuality - just providing facts
I heard you like debates so I thought I'd delve this deep, plus muslims do not hate homosexuals either.
there is a  lesbian supervisor at our school and my muslim friends act indifferent towards her.
sorry if anything I wrote went against your beliefs but I thought that since you were into debunking other religions, id provide another view on your notions.

OMG this is the longest comment I have ever wrote!
*achievement unlocked*
^-^
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Young marriage:
Keep rationalizing it that way. They were married young because the men liked their women young. It was no different in europe, and it was custom to have them wed at the youngest possible age when they could conceive (that being between 12 and 14). Concern for these girls was definitely not foremost on anyone's mind back then. Marriage was always done for one or both reasons: Wealth and power. For the poorer people it was mostly wealth, what little of it there was.

Stoning:
That would be fair enough, if and only if only rapists and pedophiles were punished that way. But this is not the case, now is it? Rape victims were stoned right along their rapists! Women not found to be virgins at marriage were, too. Countless other examples. And the thing is, as I said, that at least christianity and judaism have since abolished such grotesque practices. Islam has not. There are people stoned to death in islamic countries to this very fucking day.

Homosexuality
Oh, believe me, I can most definitely question a religion. I don't give a rat's ass what it is for some people, it's not above being questioned. Ever.
I don't believe homosexuality should be embraced, I merely believe people who engage in it should be left the fuck alone. That is not too much to ask, even of religious people.
And their mindset and mine are not similar. Mine is based on rationality, empathy and common decency. Theirs is based on hatred fueled by religious justification. That's a world of difference.

So ... why is it relevant whether or not they can give blood donations? Does that make them lesser beings somehow? I mean, completely beside the fact that they could simply use a condom and eliminate that risk completely, which many of them do. What'S the point you're trying to make here, exactly?

As to evolution ... I would be very careful with the word "purpose", here. You imply that nature imparts us a purpose. This is untrue, nature is not an entity, it does not impart anything. Sure, we are instinctively driven to reproduce, but that doesn't mean we have to act on it, and it also doesn't mean we all necessarily have this instinct. We were also for the longest time driven to instinctively fight and kill any other members of our race who do not belong to our own social group, they were instinctively seen as competition for resources. This instinct is slowly fading out, and even so, while we do have some weak form of it still present within us, we mostly suppress it.
If you want to argue this way against homosexuals, you will also have to condemn asexuals, people who simply do not wish to engage in sexual activity. Or couples that consciously choose not to have children (I am one such person, by the way). So no, they're not "rejects" (there is no such thing), they're simply a variation. Nothing wrong with that.

As to creationism ... true, both do not know for sure, but the current scientific model (which, in itself, is not connected to atheism in any way, save for the fact that it does not make the unnecessary assumption that a god exists) is well-founded by our observations of reality, while creationism is solely based on ancient bronze-age mythology. I think I'll trust reality.
It also never claims that everything comes from nothing, that is a very common misconception. Everything has always existed, right down to the farthest point in the past you can possibly go back to - which is the big bang. You religious people then argue "well but what was before that?". The thing is, there was no "before". Time itself only began existence at that point, since spacetime expanded from the point of a singularity.

As to homsexuality being a genetic condition ... firstly, the assumption that there needs to be a specific gene to cause something is fallacious. Expression of a certain Phenotype can be influenced by numerous genes at the same time, even with very minor mutations that barely make a difference in the expressed peptide. Epigenetics may also factor into it but is often overlooked because it is a relatively new field of study. It's not as easy as some of these articles make it out to be. The cause may very well be a very complex network of different factors, some genetic - which would create a certain disposition at least - some physiological (expression of certain neural patterns), some psychological. But even if they weren't born that way, so what?

"plus muslims do not hate homosexuals either.
there is a  lesbian supervisor at our school and my muslim friends act indifferent towards her."

That may be the case, but there are many muslims who would stone to death anyone admitting to be gay within the blink of an eye. It has happened often enough, especially in islamic countries.
I believe that in order to judge how members of a religion think and act and treat others, one must look at places (and times) where that religion is in power. For Islam this is easy, one needs to look no further than Saudi Arabia or Iran.
For Christianity, simply look at medieval europe. Great times, they were. Full of genocide, torture and needless death and cruelty.
For Judaism ... well, Israel is a good indicator of how the "chosen race" behaves when you let them: Eradicating anyone of different faith wanting to live in their land. Incidentally, I've read of an israeli newspaper that recently vomited the headline that a few nukes on Iran and Germany would bring a thousand years of peace. That's the kind of people they are.

Don't apologize. I'm used to much worse, actually. This is rather pleasant, all things considered.
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PrinceOfRage Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
What on earth does that have to do with anything I said? Pedophilia and homosexuality are two completely different things.
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MelodyGlow Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
NEWSFLASH: the bible is also against gays.
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iBottle Featured By Owner 5 days ago  New Deviant
The bible does not condemn it with death, and only talks about homosexuality 6 times:
www.gaychurch.org/homosexualit…
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MelodyGlow Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have studied islam and it is beautiful!
the prophet never slept with the girl and she had her kids in her thirties!
how can people be soo dumb?
in an age where teenagers as low as seventh grade fuck each other for love.
a marriage is unacceptable?
this is soo ridiculous!
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new-blader Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I tought i was the only one who think He never slept with her at a very young age....
Marriage doesnt equal sex, at least to me. Also, im not came from a Muslim family so yeah i just try to study it a bit. 
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MelodyGlow Featured By Owner Edited Jun 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
im glad you did! ^-^
people should really research before giving hate towards a particular religion.
a bit of study is never bad!
p.s. the age of 9 (Aisha was not even 9) was the average age of marriage at that time. in England however, the average was even lower along with reports of prevalent incest and crime.
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new-blader Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah i read that 9 is average age to get married that time, somewhere. People should think marriage isnt same as sex xD... or read the reason why  he married her before bashing something. If there a sex without marriage, its possible to have marriage without sex (again at least for me). sorry for my bad english tho --
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MelodyGlow Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
no need to apologise!
I agree completely in fact it is very smart of you to think that way!
^-^
-wanna be friends?
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new-blader Featured By Owner Edited Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe because i've sexually abused by a lesbian in my childhood and i feel no love in it no, because i dont like bashing something first 
Were only one year difference-- sure!
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MelodyGlow Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
omg really?
im soo sorry, want to talk by note?
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new-blader Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It was 3 years ago- forget about it
Sure. 
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SNlCKERS Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"She told me she was 18! I swear!"
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rainbowcat1234 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014  Student Writer
that site is bullcrap. U r uneducated about islam but that doesnt matter, since u rnt a muslim. However, that does not mean that u spread bullcrap about it. First of all, besides muslims there r other people who r not muslims who do not support gay rights. Second of all our Prophet did not marry a 'child'. she was nearing her twenties and they never did the 'thing'. All the children of our Prophet were from Khadija who was a mature, grown woman. Its not even compulsory to marry a young girl. The world has become more advance and only muslims (very little) who r quite into the older version of islam and their own culture marry their young daughters off. Not ALL muslims support the marriage of their young girls atleast not anymore. So shut ur piehole and get ur facts right!
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rainbowcat1234 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2014  Student Writer
ur welcome and thanks for the sweet comment! :D
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rainbowcat1234 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2014  Student Writer
:D
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RottenNails Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014  Student Digital Artist
iam a proud bisexual muslim
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EcLahRiseOn Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014
that girl was 19 after all
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SpiritsOfLight Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014
You do realize.

He never did that with her at all.
And she wanted to marry him, also back then, stuff like that was classified as normal.

I understand if she didn't want to marry him, then fine its wrong, but she did. 
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devvonxxx Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
you know articles on the internet aren't exactly accurate. he married her at 9 yes, but they didn't sleep together till very much later
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devvonxxx Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
in fact, they never did have that kind of relationship

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DreamsphereINC Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Student General Artist
Just doing the work the almighty. Now if you excuse me I have children to molest-I MEAN.....bring to JESUS...yea...Jesus.
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Draw-and-Stuff Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I know this was a joke and all...
But that was really disgusting and unnecessary.
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DreamsphereINC Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2013  Student General Artist
It was completely necessary, now back to your regularly scheduled program
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rainbowcat1234 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014  Student Writer
U r just asking for a bitchslap across ur ignorant face. Don't worry I be glad to give it to u. :)
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DreamsphereINC Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014  Student General Artist
"U r" so scary, man. 
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rainbowcat1234 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014  Student Writer
thank u for emphasising on the words 'U r'. shows me that I'm pretty scary, 'dude'.
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DreamsphereINC Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014  Student General Artist
It also shows your illiteracy 
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rainbowcat1234 Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2014  Student Writer
everybody uses it, big deal. Woo..I feel so scared of this ignorant cunt. He is so great..he can point out my grammatical mistakes. 
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Guyverman Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2013
Pedophile or not, Mohammed commit a genocide of The Yathreb Jews.
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devvonxxx Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
um..no he didn't...it's the opposite. a covenant was formed between the muslims, pagans, and jews of yathrib. Jews and non muslims were always to be treated well, The covenant stated tht if in war they would fight as one and when in peace they would live as one

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RottenNails Featured By Owner May 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
well iam a muslim and i have a crush on the same gender :iconimhappyplz:
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zukameku Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
asallam aleikum brothers & sisters, and I even include the disbelievers in spreading my salam's. Majority of us know that the source above is incredibly biased and you will only source the verses they want you to read and take it out of context. What other sources are there that we can look at? maybe A'isha (ra) own writings about the prophet? if you where to go through it, you will find that not once did she mention our prophet (peace be upon him) having that type of relationship with her & the image you have with your picture says read b4 comment so lets have a read and find out what she says yes? or are you stuck with others opinions and don't want to decide for yourself. I hope you make your decision without any 3rd party peoples opinions inshallah. alemiksalaama!
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Artistrian Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
You realize that that's an islamophobic site that likes to spread lies and bullcrap about Islam, like jihadwatch or atlas shrugs, yes? I would recommend actually reading a Qu'ran
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MelodyGlow Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
exactly!
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TrashyTrashcan Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013
"Hey i fucked that mans ass because it is Allahs will!"
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Tandenfee Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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Thora = quran = bible

The bible is also against gays. Be a buddhist, they're the best. Love for all :iconyay-plz:
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PainisCupcaek Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Sorry I don't speak gargle gargle gargle.
Can you translate?
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Tandenfee Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
ik ook niet sorry. en nee ik kan mijn TAAL niet vertalen voor piemelkoek
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PainisCupcaek Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
whatchu talkin about willis
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